Monday, July 19, 2010

The Forgotten Garden by Kate Morton

Pat's first pick - looks interesting!

20 comments:

PWM said...

If you go to the Amazon page for this book, they have the transcript of a short interview with the author, where she talks about some of the books she loved as a child. It is pretty interesting, I thought.

HollenBackGirl said...

I put a request in for this through the Sayre library; it's out now but due back next Friday. Hopefully, I will be able to get it earlier, or just borrow Joy's when she's done. I'm impatient though, because this looks like a really great read!

Tracy said...

The copy I requested is waiting at the Penfield library. Guess I should go pick it up.

HollenBackGirl said...

For kicks and giggles I thought I'd try out one of the e-readers available for iPhone. There was a free version of Amazon's Kindle, so I grabbed that one. It lets you preview most books for free, so I grabbed the first 5 chapters of The Forgotten Garden.

For a straight up novel along the lines of Riders of the Purple Sage or Peter Pan, I think I will enjoy using the ereader. Using the smallest font I can get a good deal of text on each screen (no eyestrain with the little letters yet), and it's easy to bookmark pages or add notes to specific lines with just a tap. It's lighter than holding a book, doesn't get bent pages, fits easily into my purse and can be read in any light (a big bonus if I want to read while Harold is sleeping!)

That being said, I don't think this is a good book for ereading. The flip-floping timeline is harder to follow, and I found myself wishing I could just stick a finger in at the previous chapter to be able to flip back quickly and remind myself where in history/geography we were at the last chapter.

There's just something about holding a book that makes it seem more endearing, and more permanent. Electronic data seems so fleeting. Plus, how great is it when someone gives you a book that she has read, and thinks you will enjoy? I love finding old books with names and notes scrawled into them by some far away person. Maybe I'm just an old romantic at heart....

Tracy said...

I started my copy last night. It has an interesting story line. But, I have to agree. It is very difficult to keep track of where I am in history. Wouldn't have been easier to write it sequentially? I don't know. Maybe it adds to the mystery. Other than that I am truly enjoying the book.

Angie: As for electronic data, I have to agree that books that can be held in your hand are more endearing. I have often thought of getting rid of my books and buying a Kindle to put them on. It certainly would save time with the packing when we move. But, I also know how easy it is for an electronic device to become outdated and for data to be lost. I would be devastated if I lost some of my books. I also inherited a few books from my grandmother that I just won't part with because of sentimental reasons. It can be painful to be a romantic. Especially when you have to haul about 15 boxes of books to a new home : )But I completely get where you are coming from.

PWM said...

I've been thinking about those e-readers for a long time. My problem is that I spend so much time on the computer looking at a computer screen that it is nice to look at an actual page when I sit down to read a book. It also helps me switch gears from work to pleasure (since most work is done on the computer and most pleasure reading from a book). However, I agree with both of you. Being able to take notes on the page as you read would be great AND it is a huge pain to move all the books from place to place. Ken especially hates moving books.

Just yesterday I was commenting to my mother (who is back out visiting me for a few days) that I think I will enjoy this book, but that the switching back and forth between time periods and characters is driving me crazy. I always have to flip back to reorient myself, too.

Some other comments on the book so far. I like the way that Morton humanizes the house in the beginning of chapter 4. I've often thought about houses this way but have not often seen authors do so.

Also, I had to laugh at the beginning of Chapter 5 when Cassandra hears her moms boyfriend refer to Nell as a witch and she assumes he literally means she's a witch (with broomstick). It seems like children always have that one person that they are sure is a witch. I didn't, but other children. Children in books, at least!

joychina said...

Well seems like we should have had an e-reader post.

I do have a Kindle and I love it! For certain things ..... travelling especially. I can take that and have TONS of books with me with very little weight. I like popping it in the car and having lots of books to read if I get stuck somewhere waiting. And I like the ease of getting a "new book" - just download. No running to the store and wondering if it is there or waiting. But I like hard copy books too. If the library has the book - I will get it there first hands down, then look to download, then buy. I've discovered that really good books I will buy both the kindle version and the hard copy version - so there - a marketer's dream. I do like the dictionary on the Kindle, the highlighting and note taking and the search capabilty has been a wonderful asset. And the "classics" are free or a very minimal charge so I have downloaded lots of those which I normally wouldn't have bought.

Lately libraries have e-books to "check out" too. In actuality, you get the book for free once you check it out and download it.

Tracy said...

I am really enjoying The Forgotten Garden. I find myself thinking about it periodically throughout the day. My mind keeps visiting the story like it is something a dear friend has told me. It feels like good gossip to me. I have gotten to page 200. It has been a long time since I have read such a long book!

Also, I like the e-books from the library. But the books that I can get through the system in Rochester expire on a perdetermined date and I can no longer use them.
The fact that you guys down home can still continue to listen to them after their "due date" makes me jealous. I sure do miss the Bradford County Library System. For that reason and because they don't take fines seriously. I once had an $80 fine up here and I had to pay it. Granted it was my fault I had it. But the library tried to send it to collections because I didn't pay it within the first month. The fact that they sent it there without first sending me a bill really ticked me off. What if that had gone on my credit?

PWM said...

One of the perks of being an instructor is that when we check out books we have them until the end of the semester (unless they are recalled by another patron) and we can renew them as much as we want. I know other instructors that have had a book checked out for over a year, with no fines as long as you renew it at the end of each semester. For Forgotten Garden, I don't have to return it until Dec. 17th...

HollenBackGirl said...

I have the large print edition and I'm somewhere around pg 350, so, maybe around 175 in a normal version? Tracy, like you, I'm enjoying the story, it's interesting to see so many layers unfold at the same time. On the other hand though, it's hard to keep track of what Nell knows in 1975 and what Cassandra doesn't know in 2005.

The line I like best so far was from one of the aunts: she's "slow as a wet week." I hope the bickering aunts show up again!

I read a short story, The Garden Party by Katherine Mansfield, right before starting this book. For the first 5 or 6 chapters I kept thinking that the short story was the first chapter in this book, and was so confused on some of the characters. Finally I realized what my brain had done and got everything sorted out -- but I think it speaks to how confusing the flip-flopping was for me in the first handful of chapters.

HollenBackGirl said...

****Spoiler Alert****

I'm about 3/4 done now, and want to make my predictions for the grand finale that I'm sure must be coming soon.

1) Nell is not Rose's daughter.
2) Rose, unable to carry a child, begs Eliza to do so for her as a surogate. Eliza and Nathaniel get pregnant, Eliza goes off for a year and returns to pass her child (Nell) off as Rose's.
3) Hugh, Nell's adoptive father, is William (Gump) and Mary's brother.
4) Linus does something really nasty and terrible to Eliza which is why she never made it to the ship with Nell.
5) Adeline cleans up his mess, fakes Ivory's death, and has Eliza painted out of the portrait to cover up her murder.
6) Cassandra gets down with Christian and stays in England in the little cottage.

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There's a section of the book right after Rose gets engaged where Adeline talks about Nathaniel's "hole" being pride. This concept is SO incredibly similar to a chapter in the book Getting Mother's Body (2004) by Suzan-Lori Parks that I wonder if Kate Morton "borrowed" it for The Forgotten Garden (2008).

HollenBackGirl said...

I finished earlier this week but I haven't posted anything because I didn't want to ruin the ending for anyone. I did want to say, that even though I had a hard time starting out with this book, in the end I rather liked it.

More to come when others have finished.

joychina said...

I have finished and my earlier prediction was:

Nell is Eliza's daughter.
Either Nathaniel or Linus is Nell's father, really I think Linus since he is so infatuated with Georgiana and also Eliza.

Turns out - Adeline is the real evil one.

PWM said...

I'm about halfway through -- I know, I'm slacking-- and have only one prediction: Adeline is a bad, bad person. Maybe more predictions as I progress.

Two quick comments on parts I have read:
From Ch. 11- the boat is sick with unspecified fever, maybe brain fever? :-) Those fevers were everywhere! Thank goodness we have aspirin now.

Ch. 23- "As old as me little finger and a bit older than me teeth." Hee hee.

HollenBackGirl said...

My book is due back at the library tomorrow, so, time to move on. Tons of spoilers below, so read at your own risk!

After getting over the initial struggles at the beginning of the book I really started to enjoy it, and ended up liking it quite a bit. Getting snippets from 3 or 4 time lines is actually a very interesting way to interact with characters.

I think the book could really benefit from having a map of the grounds of Blackhurst Manor right at the beginning.

I have to say, towards the end they almost had me convinced that Mary was Nell's mother, but I just kept coming back to the Golden Egg and I knew it had to be about Eliza. I also really, really expected Linus to have a more sinister role towards the end, given all his really, really strange behavior and obsession with Georgiana/Eliza/Nell. Do you think Adeline hired the investigator at the very beginning? I kept wondering why she told Rose that nothing good would come of her father interacting with Eliza, but at the end it was clear that he probably would have hurt her if Adeline hadn't been so careful to keep them apart.

Rose. Where to start? I think Morton made Rose very true to her character, which makes me admire her. On the other hand, her character was awful, so I hate her! Given her overbearing mother, constant seclusion through childhood and whacked out father, it's a wonder she had even a few months of normal marriage with Nathaniel.

Cassandra's story, while full of possibility, lacked the depth to make me care about her. The whole book she carried on about her tragedy, and when she finally revealed what it was I had lost interest. I get that the reader doesn't find out what happened until the time she is able to deal with the loss, but.. "meh" it missed the mark somehow.

I expected the tunnel from the sea to the maze to figure in to the story, but it never did.

Overall I think it just begs the question, who's life was worst? Georgiana, Eliza, Nell, Rose, Adeline, Cassandra? May, Pearl, Caroline, Rukmani?
In this book my vote goes to Georgiana. Overall I have to vote Rukmani.

Tracy said...

I finished the book today. I feel like I have really accomplished something because it has been over 10 years since I have read a book this long!

That aside, I enjoyed the story. I got over the time line jumps after the first few chapters once I realized that all of Eliza/Rose's entries were in teh early 1900's, Nell was in the 1970's, and Cassandra was in 2005.

Things I found surprising were Linus's role. I too thought he would eventually cause harm or abuse Eliza or Nell. I was suprised that his character never developed into something more sinister.
I also was suprised when Eliza was killed by jumping out of the carriage. I thought that Adeline or Linus would be the one doing the murder.
I am not sure if I read this right. But it appears that Cassandra was only concerned about who her grandmother's mother was. My understanding of the story is that as readers we know who the father was but that Cassandra is left thinking that Eliza had an affair with a fish monger. The true identity of her great grandfather is not ever revealed to her.
On a final note, I really hated Adeline by the end of the story. Her elitist attitude realy rubbed me the wrong way. The author did a good job with her character development.

PWM said...

It looks as though Tracy and I finished at the same time as I finished last night as well. I had a difficult time getting into the book at first because it seemed so fragmented with the different timelines/characters, but then I was mesmerized for the last 100 or so pages. Through the whole book, though, I found myself mixing up details about the characters. I just prefer a more chronological approach.

It really came together at the end, I thought. I was pretty proud of myself for finally guessing correctly (granted, it was right before Morton gave the grand finale). I always belleved that Eliza was Nell's mother and really wanted Nathanial to be her father. I thought Morton made it pretty clear that Nathanial is Cassandra's great-grandfather. Doesn't Cassandra put two-and-two together when she discovers that the sketches were in Eliza's things? Plus, she is sure William would have told her if he was her great-grandfather, isn't she?

However, I can't believe that I didn't catch on about the x-ray frying her ovaries until Morton spelled it out for me. Argh. It made perfect sense. I had also guessed Cassandra's tragedy long before it was revealed. However, I agree with A. that it was a bit annoying how they kept hinting at this great tragedy but didn't say what it was until she was starting to get over it.

My biggest disappointment was that Nell never found out who her family was. Yes, I realize the "Crone's eyes" and Cassandra, blah, blah, blah. But still, poor Nell.

I felt like Linus was a little underdeveloped and I'm a bit unclear as his role in the book, other than being the source of Adeline's hatred for Georgiana and all her descendants. I agree with T., that he was definitely a sicko and I kept expecting him to do something terrible, but then he never did. Do you think he was meant to be a red herring? Rose reminded me so much of Colin in Secret Garden that she never really developed as a real person in my head.

As for who had the worst life? I am going to go with Eliza in this book and May overall. Afterall, at least Rukmani and Georgiana had love. And, "all you need is love". :-)

I was a little dismayed at how closely the middle section mirrored "The Secret Garden" but then I really enjoyed the Hodgson cameo! Also, I was annoyed that Morton spent all that time on the aunts at the beginning and then we never see them again.

My book did have a map of the ground of the manor at the very beginning, didn't yours?

Just one more quote(though this book just did not have as many as some others):

Ch. 34: "For Eliza knew from herfairy tales the fate awaiting wicked sisters bewitched by envy."

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joychina said...

Some quick thoughts:

The best part of this book, I thought, were the fairy tales. I really liked "The Crone's Eyes'.

I expected Linus to do something really bad and he didn't.

I had confused Nell's mother at the beginning, thinking for quite a while that it was Eliza, then got it straightened out, only to find that I was right in the beginning.

I would like to know more about Cassandra and Christian at the end.

And I would have liked to know more about the Swingles and the "locket", a picture of it would have helped. And like you, Ang, I would have liked the cave to figured more into the story.

Overall, OK.